Second gentleman Doug Emhoff didn't hold back during a wide-ranging interview with MSNBC this week. When I asked him if he thought Donald Trump was scared to debate his wife, he didn't mince words: "Yes, he should be."
The truth is not more complicated than that. Even Fox News anchor Bret Baier agrees that it's Trump, and not Kamala Harris, who is refusing to explore the possibility of a second debate on Fox News.
At this point in a typical election cycle, candidates and voters are focused on analyzing and rehashing the fall's three big presidential debates. But Trump's fear of being embarrassed on the debate stage again means it is increasingly unlikely that he and Harris will reunite for another pre-election matchup.
Emhoff spoke candidly about this debate debacle during our conversation. We also discussed how the rise of antisemitism has taken a personal toll, and the Republican Party's cowardly response to Mark Robinson.
You can watch our full conversation on tomorrow's show, at 12 p.m. ET.
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